Showing posts with label Playa Vista. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Playa Vista. Show all posts




PASSING JUDGEMENT, PASSING GAS
Residents join with developers to debunk KNBC reports on the threat of explosive methane gas to Play




By Annette Stark
Five years ago, Steve Donnell put his name on a waiting list for a new Playa Vista town home. Purchase price: $750,000. He and his wife moved in 18 months ago and have spent another $50,000 on improvements so far - marble floors, window treatments, and crown molding. Then - on May 25 and on June 27 - two KNBC news specials warned ominously that their expensive new home in the massive Westside development sits on a virtual landmine of explosive methane gas.
Despite that, Donnell says they have no "absolutely no intention" of moving. Nor do his neighbors, whom Donnell insists were never approached by KNBC to contribute their views. They aren't alone: Some residents and activists are startled to learn that there are forces who still consider this decade-long debate to be unresolved - especially considering the project's very public history. (See "Bubbling Trouble," CityBeat, June 16.)
Environmentalists began opposing the construction of Playa Vista more than a decade ago, and the history of the methane discovery dates back to at least the late '90s. By 2000, the Los Angeles Times had reported on it extensively, and as a result of efforts by environmental groups such as Environment Now, Friends of Ballona Wetlands, and the Grassroots Coalition, the city was forced to act. So in 2002, the Building and Safety Code was modified to require elaborate gas mitigation systems at new developments such as Playa Vista. These systems include vents, alarms, and a gas sealant (membrane) placed between the ground and a building's foundation.
Also as a result of the 2002 code, structures that were built after 1986 in methane -saturated areas such as the Fairfax District were required to be retrofitted with gas mitigation systems. (Still, engineers and geoscientists will attest that much of this city is sitting on a ton of un-vented gas) And when the L.A. City Council overwhelmingly approved Phase II last September by a vote of 10-1, many on both sides considered the subject closed. Others saw environmental contributions from Playa's developers as compensation for the traffic and other anticipated "blights" large developments can potentially inflict on an area.
Playa developer Steve Soboroff says, "I think we're doing great things to make the beaches cleaner, the freshwater marsh, we adopted 16 squirrels. I'm proud of this as a great neighbor. I'm confident that people will drive by, fly over, or walk there and say 'I'm glad those guys were here. I'm glad they built what they did.'"
Some environmental groups that originally opposed the project have softened their stance. "I would have loved to have kept it open space," admits Ruth Lansford, Friends of Ballona Wetlands president. "But considering the other developments that are going up around here, this was done well. They dotted every I and crossed every T."
But, if there is one thing KNBC's series (titled "Burning Questions") made glaringly obvious, it's that the opposition to Playa Vista - at least as far as the methane is involved - is still very much alive.
"I'm not surprised," says Soboroff. "The rhetoric is a sport for [the opponents]. Our residents tell me over and over again that they resent the fact that a handful of extremists have shopped their theories for years to anybody who will listen, regardless of the facts. And the proof of it is that not many people buy what they're selling. The courts, the city agencies, the state agencies say the same thing. It's a beautiful and safe community."
Officials at the L.A. Department of Building and Safety (LADBS) are quick to indicate that Soboroff has a point: Methane is an old story in Los Angeles and the standards the city requires at Playa Vista are the strictest in the country. Hence, Playa residents we spoke to cited areas where the gas has not been mitigated - such as Venice, Santa Monica, and nearly all of the Westside - as more dangerous. "Truthfully I'm more comfortable living in an area where they have taken proactive steps," Donnell says.
With this much methane seeping out of the soil, most people following the situation believe that it's coming from natural sources in the ground. Nevertheless, Grassroots Coalition's Bernard Endres and Patricia McPherson have alleged for years that much of the Playa gas is coming from an old SoCal Gas storage facility that is located about a mile and a half down the road. They have also advanced the possibility of a leak under the Fountain Park apartments and another near the town house area. Both, they contend, stem from failures of the gas mitigation membranes. And then there are the gas bubbles, which the Coalition and KNBC showed rapidly percolating in nearby creeks.
Critics of the group - which includes officials at LADBS, SoCal Gas, many civil engineers, Playa residents and developers, and even some environmental groups, claim these allegations are unsubstantiated.
"Much of the methane is natural - not the kind that comes from the gas company," insists Lansford. "The methane bubbles in the freshwater marsh are also. Swamps have natural methane in them and as long as it disperses in the air I don't think it creates any problem at all."
According to city engineer Colin Kurnabe, the bubbles are "naturally occurring gas that can be found throughout this area. If you put water over methane in dry ground, methane will bubble up through the water."
The reality is that methane gas (also known as marsh gas) is bubbling in every pond, most creeks, and some lakes in America. But methane gas in a creek or lake vents into the air and is extremely unlikely to explode.
If the creeks were filling up from a failure of the Fountain Park membrane, LADBS spokesperson David Keim insists the city would be the first to know. "That's why we've gone to such lengths to make them [Playa developers] install such elaborate alarms. We require them to do annual reports on this project to determine if any gasses are leaking. If they find anything they are required immediately to do repairs. But there is no empirical evidence to suggest that the membrane is leaking."
According to the city fire department, there have been some false alarms, but Keim attributes this to a hypersensitive system. "That's true of some alarms. Not just gas. Even burglar alarms."
In fact, residents say there have been some notorious glitches in the alarms. Donnell recalls: "Where some people are staining wood and there were fumes, there might have been some false alarms. When that happens we're all informed. And it gives us assurance that the system is so sensitive to all kinds of fumes, if there was enough gas at Fountain Park that they could set it on fire, our alarms would have been going off."
Soboroff even remembers an incident when Windex set off the alarm. "It was a Sunday morning and the ammonia or something triggered the alarm system. It was in the beginning and nobody knew what to do."
As to the allegations regarding the leaking gas storage facility, SoCal Gas spokesperson Peter Hidalgo insists there are more than 300 such facilities in the U.S. "Some date back to the 1930s, and others are being built now. The technology is safe and reliable.
"Our storage site has been there under our jurisdiction since 1940."
The Grassroots Coalition declined to answer any questions from CityBeat, including by e-mail, but recently corrected its website to reflect the paper's June 16 article, which quoted City engineer Colin Kurnabe calling the Coalition data "unsubstantiated." The Coalition had indicated that Paraseal GM is not an HDPE (high density polyethylene shield) and therefore unsuitable as a gas sealant. As CityBeat reported - and Grassroots corrected - Paraseal GM is an HDPE.
However, LADBS officials indicate there are still corrections to be made. Among these are allegations that Paraseal is not licensed by the city as a gas sealant, and that it was not used elsewhere. "They used Paraseal in La Brea and Fairfax," Kurnabe informs.
CityBeat located Research Report 25425 - the city's approval document for Paraseal GM as a gas sealant - online at the LADBS website. There is also a copy on the Tremco website, which manufacturers Paraseal GM.
Keim says that, to the best of his knowledge, no one has requested a copy of this report. Regardless, the LADBS expects the debate to continue. "I understand how they feel and - God bless them - it's not that we doubt or question this concern," Keim insists. "It's just their manner of alarming people who are living and working out there and their manner of not verifying facts."
Published: 06/30/2005

Bubbling Trouble Methane Gas Leaking In Playa Vista?

BUBBLING TROUBLE
What is the truth about possible methane gas leakage into the buildings of Playa Vista?
By Annette Stark
Viewers who caught last month's KNBC Channel 4 news investigation "Burning Questions," about the presence of methane gas at the Westside Playa Vista development, got an eyeful of alarming news. To illustrate the dangers of underground methane, KNBC showed old footage of the 1985 gas explosion at a Ross Dress For Less in the Fairfax District, begging the implied question: Could this happen at Playa Vista?
But while the images were correctly identified in the report as being from 1985, the city Building and Safety Code has changed since then to include measures that city engineers believe would have prevented that fire - all of which have been applied to Playa Vista.
But some environmentalists are saying the gas problem there still isn't solved.
Opposition to Phase II of the Playa Vista development remains stiff, focusing mostly on questions of increased traffic, open space, and Native American issues. But neither Bill Rosendahl - incoming councilman for the District 11 District and an opponent of the Phase II development - nor environmental giant Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) have taken an official position on the gas.
"Bill's position on Playa Vista Phase I was that he didn't like where it was built," says Rosendahl spokesperson Mike Bonin. "That was environmental. His main objection to Phase II was the traffic impact and the lack of community dialogue about the project."
The May 25 KNBC special focused on the Grassroots Coalition - a group that has touted methane problems as the reason to kill Playa Vista II. But the Fairfax fire shown occurred before the city code was amended in 2002 to require elaborate gas mitigation systems. In 2002, the Los Angeles Department of Building and Safety (LADBS) required the installation of those systems at Playa Vista, consisting of a membrane shield under the buildings, vents, and a series of alarms. This type of mitigation is now common. Methane is found in high concentrations in Beverly Hills, the Wilshire Corridor, the Fairfax District, Universal Studios, and Venice, just to name a few locations.
Colin Kunabe, senior structural engineer for the LADBS, points out that, as a direct result of Playa Vista, Los Angeles now has the strictest methane mitigation laws in the country. "There is nobody disputing that [methane gas] is there," says Kunabe. "The bigger issue is: Can you build in an area that is known to have methane? Our standards say yes, as long as you have the detection and the method to get rid of it."
According to Bob Steinbach, an assistant bureau chief at LADBS, the department turned down KNBC's request for an interview. "NBC approached our department and asked us for on-camera interviews about info that we did not have and asked us to comment on reports that we had not seen. They would not let us have copies of the reports.
"As far as I'm concerned, it's irresponsible journalism," he adds.
But the special did have a bombshell: It alleged that "the membrane shield placed beneath the building is probably leaking," and that "some safety systems have failed." This came from Grassroots Coalition leaders, actress Patricia McPherson (Knight Rider) and attorney/engineer Bernard Endres, who have been fighting the development for over a decade.
"This is the largest gas seepage site that has ever been located in the United States," Endres declared on the special.
"The ground is almost 100 percent saturated with gas in certain areas," McPherson offered, also on the TV show.
McPherson and Endres further claimed that samples they took from a basement at Playa Vista's Fountain Park apartments tested positive for gas. McPherson said they found "an enormous amount of gas" seeping under the apartment building.
But the Coalition has already lost multiple lawsuits on this matter. "The NBC piece said there were two legal challenges. I know of many and [McPherson] lost all of them," Steinbach says.
Largely due to the efforts of Playa opponents, and especially McPherson, the city admits that gas is present at the Playa Vista site. But detailing alleged trouble with mitigation is harder to pin down, and doing so seemed to draw McPherson's ire. Asked to reconcile inconsistencies amidst the data on the Grassroots Coalition's website, she refused to be interviewed. Questions remain as to why the city engineer called this information "unsubstantiated." Inconsistencies on the website include:
• McPherson has publicly stated that the (Paraseal) membrane shield at Fountain Park has an 85 percent failure rate. But the only corroboration found by CityBeat appears in a letter on the Grassroots Coalition website from LBI technologies, manufacturers of a competitive product, Liquid Boot. While the letter might be completely accurate, it reads more like a sales pitch than a scientific study.
• To prove the Paraseal GM product is inadequate as a gas sealant, the Grassroots Coalition quotes a "City Consultant" who allegedly told them the product isn't an HDPE - (high density polyethylene is used to manufacture methane gas shields). However, the manufacturer reiterated this is exactly what Paraseal GM is.
• Steinbach points out that Playa Vista is hardly the highest methane concentration in the country. "When you look at methane standards, [Playa Vista's] certainly not the first and won't be the last," he says. "You can go over to La Brea and the concentration is higher there."
Arguing that no mitigation would work at Playa Vista, the Grassroots Coalition also offers information on Liquid Boot in the form of a letter written to the LADBS in 2000 by Dr. Fleet E. Rust, president of the GeoScience Analytical Institute. In it, Rust cautions against using Liquid Boot. That letter still appears on McPherson's website and includes a link to a New Times interview, in which Rust says it doesn't matter which membrane would be used at the ´´ development since none would work: "It is just a piece of land that was not meant to have a lot of buildings ... ."
One year later, however, Rust did a 180-degree-turnaround. In an op-ed piece for the L.A. Weekly about the Belmont Learning Center (another toxic methane site) Rust praises Playa Vista. "Both sites have similar methane concentrations," he writes. "Nevertheless, Playa Vista is moving forward with state-of-the-art gas-mitigation systems including aquifer degassing, passive venting, and active backup venting systems."
KNBC did not contact Tremco, manufacturers of Paraseal GM, to discuss whether their membrane was failing. The company first the heard of the broadcast when contacted by CityBeat. Tremco's response reads, in part: "For the Playa Vista application, Paraseal met all project specifications and passed independent testing required by the City of Los Angeles ... . We remain confident that Paraseal GM is effective when properly installed."
CityBeat then contacted "Burning Questions" producer Frank Snepp to ask if KNBC had collected and analyzed its own samples from Fountain Park and also if they had contacted Tremco. Snepps returned a reporter's calls, but refused to defend "Burning Questions" against criticisms from LADBS or the developers. He indicated that McPherson was "right about everything," and then handed the matter over to the NBC PR department, which released a statement from KNBC Vice President and News Director Robert L. Long, which said the station had provided documents to the city, and added:
"KNBC relied entirely on engineering data provided by Playa Vista Capital, the City of Los Angeles, and Southern California Gas Company for its report. Further, KNBC had independent engineers evaluate the data and our report's conclusions. ... There was no reason to talk to the makers of the mitigation systems involved. Their devices were modified and Playa Vista Capital was, according to the chief legislative analyst for the City of Los Angeles, legally responsible for their effectiveness."
The NRDC did take a stand against Playa Vista in 2003, but not about the gas. In a strongly worded letter to the Department of City Planning, NRDC senior attorney Joel R. Reynolds expressed "concerns regarding the impacts of the proposed project on air quality and traffic circulation." At press time, Rosendahl had not yet watched the KNBC news special. "He has major concerns, or unanswered questions about the Indian burial ground and the methane issue," Bonin says. "There will need to be some further questions answered."
Published: 06/16/2005